[WARRAVEN]

Gun Guide for Newbies!

Ok, I typed this in another topic but what I noticed was a lot of people look around only a little and never really see what I typed, So I'm making a new topic so you guys can take a look and I don't have to repeat myself. If your new you want the low-down on getting a gun, here it is:

Ah well, I just got done with another thread on this but he was a more experienced player. As a brand new player I would get a gun that would last a while. Also, I would get one that is relatively cheapor jsut renting, because you don't want to get out on a field with a brand new gun and decide PB isn't yuor thing, because PB isn't for everyone. What I would suggest the most right now is just renting at first. I don't know how much exp. you have but it does go a long way. I'd go up to a field once or twice and play for a while, take a look at the guns and decide what you really want to do. As you are taking the whole thing for a trial spin I'd try diferent things too, yuo can be right in the action if you want but once or twice try going back a few bunkers and trying some long distance shots(not really to kill anything because rentals aren't usually that dependable but to test out what you really want to do, hell I used to snipe a lot and lately I have found that a good front holds bunker is the thing for me, of course I still make some long range shots). Then after those games take a look at the guns you saw, what was good, what was bad and also if they have a custom job take a look at that too, you don't want to get the same gun to find out they had something to improve it a lot. Also when someone breaks down pay attention to it, it could be that type of gun, or maybe they just did something wrong(pay attention to a lot of breakdowns, a lot of times it can save you from doing something stupid by mistake).
After that I would go somewhere where experts are ready offhand(usually people that have played before, so bob who works in sporting goods is kinda out) and where you have a wide selection of guns. Used guns aren't that bad either because sometimes they come with good custom jobs and usually they are well kept up(check on them though, find out if there was anything wrong, kinda like a used car) also used guns are relatively cheap and deliver well (I've gotten used guns before and they can really turn out nicely). They don't have as much life as a new gun but since they are cheap after using it for a long time you can set it down and pick up a gun you know you would like. I'm not saying just look at the used, because who here can honestly say they don't prefer a new gun over an old one they don't know? Some of the new are good too.
Like I said though, decide what you really like to do on the field and what you like in a gun. Look around and see which gun has what yuo are looking for. Also what I really suggest is if you know yuor gonan play for a while and all that and yuo get a new gun, get one that is customizable. There are those high end guns that come with everything yuo can dream of, but sometimes you don't always need that. What I usually prefer is to get a nice basic gun that can be really morphed into something later(or if you have a few bucks left over a cheap gun with some nice attachments can win over an expensive gun with few new parts).
Piranhas, Spyders and the new Tippman(of entry-level markers) are the most customizable right now. I suggest this most because what you can then do is on the field decide what you need for yuor gun. Maybe you find that the C02 is a little cumbersome and in the way, its easy to add a drop box. Maybe you like some range, its pretty easy to get a new barrel. Also what happens is as you decide to do diferent things, it isn't hard to switch out barrels or take off a part. So as you evolve as a player so does the gun. Also later on technologies in the PB world improve, and as long as they keep them with these guns as they have of late and a while ago, then you can keep your gun up to PAR for a long long time. Sorry if it dragged on for a while. Basically what you need to do is decide what you want and get that, noone else can decide it for you.

raven

[WARRAVEN]

Gun Guide for Experienced Players!
Heres a little tid-bit for exp. players or just choosing a gun out of a group:

Well you can go one of two ways. You can get a relatively cheap gun(That is still nice and dependable) and then add-on a lot of stuff to your specifications(in my opinion this is always the best thing, it really gives it a custom feel and lets yuo decide everything). You can also get a high end gun but with limited variation(maybe like a new barrel at most). What you should really look for is a gun that will last you a while, one that you like, and one that will do what you want. If you want to longball and you got a gun that doesn't shoot long, don't get it. If you want to storm bunkers and provide covering fire and jump right into it, don't get a long-range gun.
Its all really preference, personally I just got back in the game and got a piranha(they are pretty customizable, I know there are better and stuff but I trust it and I used it a few years back, it hasn't done my wrong so far , I've even seen guns of other brands give out before it), out of all the guns I wanted to get a piranha because later on as better and better technologies come out they usually fit onto a piranha cause it has the normal layout(and I wasn't ready to buy a higher-end marker). But what you should really look for is a nice gun(for 200 bucks you can get a pretty good gun, my piranha goes for 180 but I got it on sale for 120, it was a nice sale. But if you want a higher gun, they aren't cheap, I got my Trix for 600 and that was very very good) and then for the time being get some upgrades that you would enjoy and can help you with your shooting and accuracy and range.
Then over time build up onto the gun as you develop as a player. So as the sport evolves so does your gun. But thats just my opinion some people like to get a gun that has everything on it already and they don't like to add anything on, personally I prefer a custom touch. Its all up to you, also I wouldn't go by name brands just because they are said to be popular and the such, go with the one you have had the most luck with and you have seen on a field that can do some damage. See ya and Good luck!

raven

[WARRAVEN]

Paint!

And I know yuor about to ask this question. How? Because I'm in your head right now! Nah! I have heard this question at least 6 times already, what paintball is best for range and which one goes farther, which is cheap or which is the best in volume. Heres how I go on paint but some people do it diferently:

If your playing on a field, I would first find out if they are BYOP(bring yuor own paint) or FPO(field paint only). Usually if its field paint only they have some nice paintballs for you to choose from or just one. Lately I have been using PMI's, not really out of neccessity(I have a piranha) or anything except that they are pretty cheap but not so cheap they burst in the barrel. I would suggest PMI because frankly, I never have had a problem with them, PB can have a big effect on the accuracy, but that usually occurs if the paint sucks, if the paint is at least consistent then you won't find a huge diference between the paint, as long as you don't change caliber.
DO NOT BUY GALYANS OR SPORTS AUTHORITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT ARE THAT BRAND AND IN LARGE PLASTIC BUCKETS. I do not trust them at all! If you get them its like 25 bucks for 2,000 rds.(which is rediculously low for good paint) and half of them are already splattered, the other half are so deformed you can barely get them out the barrel. There have been some people that get them to work but I just wouldn't even try. I was looking at paint and I cracked one of the lids a litlte to take a look and they were really cheap paint(they looked like the cereal shapes in lucky charms more than paint).
I think Brass Eagle has improved their paint from a long time ago(when if you fired a brass eagle it was always going to burst) but I still don't trust brass eagles terribly too much. Also store your PB right, keep them away from moisture or heat or anything like that. Just put them at room temperature and every few weeks move the paint around in the package, theres a special oil on the paint to keep them from deforming and getting stuck together and stuff(you might see it on the plastic, most people think one burst but they didn't) and after a while the oil will drip off and pool in the bottom(it was applied on plastic after all) so you gotta move them every so often to keep applying it.
So basically a recap, store your paint right because no matter what you get if you store it wrong it doesn't matter what you got, get them in cases(1,000-2,000) for about 35-70 dollars U.S.(1,000 are usually around 40 bucks but sometimes you get the sales ), and don't buy in bulk, the big buckets may be cheap but they will do you wrong. I don't know if its the same for everyone else but I have been going by this system for years and I havn't had a problem. See ya later! I will post a link or two after this line!

http://www.pminetwork.com/
(You can go through the flash site and look around, the PB I have usually been able to find very easily and cheap is the first type that shows up, see the boxes? thats a case, cases are usually dependable and give you a good type of paint, but if yuo get a case and they are all smashed(usually they check first) I'd take it back because of shipping and stuff. You can buy them in 500 packs, which are still pretty good, but to be honest, you usually get those if your just test-firing your gun, because yuo will waste a good amount of paint. My team buys like 3-5 cases of paint to play a day with 4 people. We all chip in and the cost is really good per person).

Here's a Barrel Consistency Chart: http://www.pbnation.com/misc2.php?s=&actio...ion=barrelchart

Thats the lowdown, see ya on the field!

Raven

[Klown]

Damn they should make you a mod

[WARRAVEN]

Paintball Terms!

And heres something I thought I might want to add on for ya.
PAINTBALL TERMS!:
FPO-Field Paint only
BYOP- Bring your own paint
Cocker- Auto-cocker, a type of paintball marker
Trix- Matrix, paintball marker
Timmy- Intimidator, paintball marker
Impy- Impulse, paintball marker
Semi- Semi-automatic, or a large truck, eh either works to get the enemy
Paint- Paintballs, the things you fire
Bunkers- Usually a forested area, though sometimes open where you battle among giant pieces of wood and doors and stuff as if they were a bunker
Bunker'd- Jumping over a bunker and splatting the guy that has been annoying you for the past hour behind a bunker
Bunker(after popular demand)- An obstacle used to hide behind, usually wood, or doors or tires or something similar.
Splatting, Killing, Painting- Hitting someone
Hand signs-I suggest you and the people you will work with put together a system of hand signs so that everyone understands whats going on, also yelling has its disadvantages apparantly some peopel have good ears(I have a few welts to prove it)
Rush- Just like it sounds, everyone sticks together and runs at a fortification firing rapidly at anything that moves, usually you either die or take the fortification, or retreat.
C02- Most times the type of gas your using, Carbon Dioxide, we could get technical and into the chemistry but thats really all you need to know
Nitro- They used to use Nitrogen to fill the tanks, but have since turned to Compressed air instead, its much more consistent and is used by the higher end guns(mine can't use C02), the tanks are usually very large and measured by cubic inches and PSI\/ , I currently fire a 4500/68 (which is 4500 PSI and 68 Cubic Inches, ci)
PSI- A Way to measure gases, usually only referred to between two types of Nitro tanks
PMI- A company that makes paint and paintball guns
Walk-on Players- Usually experienced players that play regularly but don't play with a specific group, they show up or call ahead as a small group of usually 1-7, sometimes they are welcome sometimes they aren't, usually you might want them on your team
SpeedBall/Hyperball- A smaller faster paced course. Its usually in the open and playing around a few obstacles you jump on around and in to get to the enemy, these games are faster paced and don't require as much strategy but do need a lot of moving speed and agility to play
Forest- Usually playing, well, in the forest, usually something like bunkers or fort
Fort, alamo, take the fort- One team is in the fort one is on the outside, one wants to take the fort the other wants to keep it, usually a time limit, usually the players on the outside outnumber the fort slightly, grenades are a fun tool
Concept fields- New types of fields including speedball, hyperball and some other fun ones
Air compressor- Whats used to compress air into the C02 or nitro tanks
Enemy- Shoot him
Ally- Please don't shoot him, I remember a few fun games were I was attacking the other team then found they were on all sides, oh wait a min that was my team! Try to know where your guys are, most times if the group is too big to remember they have bandanas or arm bands of some kind
CTF, Capture the flag- Simple, you have a flag, they have a flag, you want theirs before they get yours.
Mask- The thing on your face, they come in many diferent shapes and sizes usually with goggles built in, some come with anti-fog some without, some you add in
Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds, try to keep it secure and always make sure its fastened down, dumping out your paint is not fun, also there are mechanical and diferent sizes but most times people stick with a 250-500 holder
Elbow- What connects the Hopper to the gun, on straight feeds the hopper just slips into the gun
Hopper-full- The amount of paint usually in a hopper, if someone says you wasted it it isn't a nice remark, sometimes its just a statement so don't automatically jump on em.
Pop&Shoot- Usually in bunkers, Pop up and shoot, sometimes you do this to cover another player
Snap Shooting- Usually the same as above, but much quicker and used to try to hit someone while remaining unscathed
Cover fire- Fire off a medium amount of ammo just to get the other team to duck away from it so your teammate can slip up into a further forward stronghold
Musket Ball- Usually used as a quick fun game where you want to waste paint at the end of the day, everyone stands in a line like in the Civil war and you fire and keep firing
Overkill- Shooting a player multiple times after he/she has already been killed
The gauntlet- Usually implemented by referee's if someone does something bad, they take your gun stand in a line and tell you to run, and they don't stop firing anytime soon
Goggles down- You must keep yuor goggles down, safety rule
Barrel plug- A plug you put into yuor barrel, required by most fields also can use a barrel condom instead on some fields
Barrel Condom, cover- A small cover that goesover yuor barrel while a rope or string fastens to the end of the gun making it impossible to fire, can use instead of a plug on some fields.
Velocity- How fast yuor rounds will fire, usually the only comment on this is if its too high or low, a high velocity really hurts, and a low can barely make it out of the barrel, most times you can ask on a field if they can do a reader on your gun and measure the velocity, you can adjust this with a screw driver or a small knob at the end of yuor gun
Marballized Paintballs- *shudders* this really really hurts, some players like them but you don't want to get hit with them, they are harder than regular paintballs
Stocks- Most stocks go onto the gun at some point in the gas system and go back into yuor shoulder for support and aim
Scopes- Simple, a scope, like on a rifle
Right/left flank- The right or left side of your team, or sometimes will be yelled if they need assistance or wish to flank the other team by putting pressure more on side than another.
Surrender- Usually called surrender, when you get within a certain amount of feet and yell at the other team to give up, most times they will because at that range it hurts not to
Drop Downs/boxes- Customization to the C02 N02 input valve thingy to allow you to move the canister out of yuor way or out of the enemies fire
Blind firing- When yuo take yuor gun and put it around the bunker or obstacle and fire without looking, illegal in most fields, also can be if you pop up and fire at anything you feel like firing at
Long-balling- Firing at a great distance,but usually out of your guns range and using the arc of the paintball to yuor advantage usually requires you to fire more than a few shots.
Camo- Camouflage, most people wear this to break up their outline
E-anything- usually just means its electric in some idea and is assisting them.
Expansion chamber- A chamber that usually also has a grip that works on bottom line guns that allows you to spend more C02 out of the same amount
Gas-thru-grip- Usually like an expansion chamber but it doesn't help yuor C02 usage at all, it just gives you someting to grip on bottom line guns
Bottomline guns- Usually a gun where the hose goes from the barrel to the bottom of the handle and ends in a valve for the tank
12 oz. 20 oz. etc.- The size of the canister of C02
Chamber- where the gas is released pushing the PB out
Barrel- Usually you start with a stock(regular) one but you can buy customs that increase your range and can add a spiral onto the PB, some stock barrels have spirals already
Ball hauler- Usually just some form of belt or pack that allows you to carry more paint within small tubes, also can be the person with the most of them on, call him to get a little refil
Oil- Usually you might want to add a special PB oil to yuor guns or onto parts of it to keep it working and in good shape, sometiems helps with C02 fastening problems too, or at least it does on mine, try to add some each time you fasten the c02 on to get the oil pushed thorugh the parts
O-rings- A Small ring of plastic or rubber that is put at the end of yuor c02 or N02 tank, when inserted into your gun, the ring expands allowing the gun to not leak, many times if your leaking you need a new o-ring, keep a few of these around
Headshot- Head shot, try to get a lot of these
Transport- The guy or girl giving you a ride home and back, try to go easy on them
Viewloader- Usually a brand of hopper and carrying case that allows you to see through the top of the tube or hopper
Red paint- not really a term but I wanted to add in that some fields don't allow red paint, be careful
Safety- the litlte button on your gun, keeps you from firing but most fields require it and a plug or condom for safet, red is fire, black is good
Safety rules- You may walk on the field and hear safety rules and zone out but pay attention, they will not screw around with you on this, they will kick you off if you put someones vision or life in danger. Sometimes theres rules they follow but noone else does, pay attention! They will be serious, you don't have to be totally serious but don't be a total jackass.
The best- Usually talking about me , j/k

Well I geuss thats it, I may add some later but I have been typing for a long time and its blowing my mind. See ya later!

Raven
P.S. To find a lot of fields and shops I would suggest WARPIG(world and regional paintball guide) almost everything is on it:
http://www.warpig.com/index.shtml
Look at all the links and search around in your area, it may not look like it contains a lot of info but it does, trust me

[wakeman54]

you should write a book

[WARRAVEN]

hehe, don't think I havn't thought about it.

Raven

[ThatTron]

Dude ur posts rock!

[Rush]

Basically a good post but some things were wrong.

Bunker'd,Bunkering-This is simply going around the bunker and tagging someone point blanke. Not necasarily jumping OVER the bunker.

NO2-This is not what is used. N2, and CA are. NO2 is very combustable and is not stable enough for the preasures used in paintball.
(also n2 isnt measured in Oz like co2. its measured in ci/psi


QUOTE:
Marballized Paintballs- *shudders* this really really hurts, some players like them but you don't want to get hit with them, they are harder than regular paintballs

This is a myth, marbalizers are simply a brand of balls made by PMI/RPS.

QUOTE:
Pop&Shoot- Usually in bunkers, Pop up and shoot, sometimes you do this to cover another player
wow...you have made a term for everything
QUOTE:
Bunkers- Usually a forested area, though sometimes open where you battle among giant pieces of wood and doors and stuff as if they were a bunker
This one ticked me off, a bunker is a man made baricade, obstacle usually used in speed ball. and is NOT usually in a forsted area(though it can be)
QUOTE:
SpeedBall- A smaller faster paced course. Its usually in the open and playing around a few obstacles you jump on around and in to get to the enemy, these games are faster paced and don't require as much strategy but do need a lot of moving speed and agility to play
If you had ANY experience or skill, you would realize that Speedball takes quite a bit of strategy ALOT OF strategy, but i doubt you play it sense you are obsessed by woods ball. Learn about the game before you criticise it.


QUOTE:
Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds
what else would it hold? rocks?
QUOTE:
Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds
Another thing is...in speedball, the guy who is going to stay should fire a steady straem of 30-50 rounds so the other guy can move. If the other team is too busy ducked behind....they can't see you teamate move, and never knww he was gone.
QUOTE:
Headshot- Head shot, try to get a lot of these
ALso known as getting a gog, or if the one hit "gogged"

Sorry if i was a little tough...but someone has to speak the truth

Mod note: MY BAD! I accidentaly hit edit instead of reply, I tried to restore it to what you had but its not perfect, sorry about that!

[WARRAVEN]

"If you had ANY experience or skill, you would realize that Speedball takes quite a bit of strategy ALOT OF strategy, but i doubt you play it sense you are obsessed by woods ball. Learn about the game before you criticise it."
--doesn't require as much strategy AS woods. Speedball does need strategy all PB fields do but woods and most certainly fort needs a lot of strategy and has more, I do play speedball quite often, I suggest you read what you criticize before you do criticize. Honestly I'm suprised you would live on a woods course if you honsetly think it has the same strategy as speedball, in my honest opinion fort and the woods needs more strategy. Besides if speedball has so much more strategy, why is it so much shorter? The fact of the matter is that woods takes longer and has longer drawn out strategies, speedball has a some strategic elements removed creating a more straightforward game. I was just pointing out that speedball is more straightforward then woods, so just chill.

"Bunker'd,Bunkering-This is simply going around the bunker and tagging someone point blanke. Not necasarily jumping OVER the bunker."
--Tomato tomata, I think, its the same thing, I just added a spice word so it wasn't boring.

"NO2-This is not what is used. N2, and CA are. NO2 is very combustable and is not stable enough for the preasures used in paintball.
(also n2 isnt measured in Oz like co2. its measured in ci/psi"
-Another misconception, actually N2 is just a higher compressed air, it just costs more to ship, contain and keep under pressure, it is not VERY combustable, because there is a shitload of things way more combustable. Unlike C02 yuo are right in the fact that it can be combustable, but it is not a major concern, just keep your lighter away from your tank, something you should do anyways. And for the formula, my bad I goofed, I was still thinking C02

"This is a myth, marbalizers are simply a brand of balls made by PMI/RPS."
--Switch to them after usign regulars for a very long time, you'll change your tune. It is not a myth, they are built to be used in higher velocity chambers and many players prefer them. They are thicker, hence the name MARBALLIZERS, why would you sell the same paintball you already sell without changing it slightly?

"Pop&Shoot- Usually in bunkers, Pop up and shoot, sometimes you do this to cover another player
wow...you have made a term for everything"
--Yup, I don't want anyone to go onto a field and get confused, this is for newbs

"Bunkers- Usually a forested area, though sometimes open where you battle among giant pieces of wood and doors and stuff as if they were a bunker
This one ticked me off, a bunker is a man made baricade, obstacle usually used in speed ball. and is NOT usually in a forsted area(though it can be)"
--bunkerS , I have played on at least 5 fields were bunker, was diferent from bunkers, because bunkers usually refers to a woods game where you go head to head in a forest. I do know that speedball also has bunkers in them, don't get so offensive. I never said a bunker was solely on the woods fields, I simply pointed out that bunkerS is a field where you play with a bunker, whcih is exactly written up there, "as if they were a bunker", read the last part.

"Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds
what else would it hold? rocks?"
--Guess a guide for newbs just needs to assume they know this stuff from experience huh?

"Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds
Another thing is...in speedball, the guy who is going to stay should fire a steady straem of 30-50 rounds so the other guy can move. If the other team is too busy ducked behind....they can't see you teamate move, and never knww he was gone"
--You obviously didn't read the entire thing, look under cover fire, not hopper for information on cover fire!

"Headshot- Head shot, try to get a lot of these
ALso known as getting a gog, or if the one hit "gogged""
--Can I seriously come up with every single slang term for a HS, I was really just being funny and adding something in to buy time to think.

Hhmm, looks like someone needs to look for the truth before they write about it huh? In my opinion you just popped on to try and prove you know more than me and are a better player. I would appreciate if you actually read what I wrote and considered it instead of immediatly flaming it because you didn't write it and it isn't the exact wording that yuo thought up. Just because I prefer Woods over speedball has nothign to do with what Speedball IS, there are a lot of people that read the same exact thing you did and never thought that I am misjudging speedball, I love speedball, but I love woods more. I understand what Speedball is. I appreciate you giving me your honest opinion but I suggest you review your opinion a little before you call it truth.

Raven
P.S. BTW before you tell me to get more exp, I have over 6 yrs. experience in this sport, don't call me a newb.

[Rush]

And here we go again. The n2 thing. YOU MENTIONED NO2, that is what i was correcting NO2 is very combustable. I never said n2 was. N2 is nitrogen.

Bunkers=Ok, fine if you are going to say that, be more specific and mention all the terms instead of the ones you like.

Bunkering- Well maybe you should let them know what it really is instead of putting a differant idea.

"Hopper- The giant black thingy that sticks up out of your gun, it usually holds paint and a good amount of rounds

Well ...you said USUALLY hold paint. i for one would like to know what else it holds.
im not going to mention the others, you will have some lame rebuttle in the end.


ALTHOUGh...the strategy thing CAN be argued both ways. But the reason speedball is so short is because of the TIME LIMIT! ...why else do you think they are short? AND i didnt call you a newb. And the coverfirething being under the hopper def. , a mod fucked it up and deleted some stuff.

[WARRAVEN]

Ya, that was probably my fault, I didn't mean to edit, I meant to hit reply. Ah, I didn't know which Formulai you were speaking of when yuo said combustible, because N2 is a litlte more combustible but not that much more than C02. hehe, it was a typo on my part I mention N2 because I had just typed up a thing on C02 and I had just transfered N02 form moles to weight to NO and all this BS for a chemistry thingy. Ya, it just seemed to come off as a newb rebuttle. The strategy thing can be argued both ways but also speedball doesn't have a higher timelimit because its not meant to be long and drawn out, its fast, I was really pointing out how straightforward and fast it was, I didn't mean to put it down but in fact I think it can be argued both ways but my point of view is that it doesn't involve as much strategy as a CTF game over a large distance with lots of trees and places to sneak through and all that.

Raven

[MattMan657]

holy crap war and rush! u 2 know alot! u should give a list of products new players should get to start with. like markers, masks, tanks, loaders. that stuff. and also stuff they SHOULDNT GET. member the post i made about a bad choice of guns? when my friend got a gen x 4 for his first gun and ir broke? lol.

[WARRAVEN]

Sounds like a good idea but their are some brands that are just iffy. I think rush knows a lot too and would be nice to collaborate but simply listing bad brands is way too hard, especially with all the new ones trying ot break through, could be crap could not be, plus theres a lot of non-namebrands. I think it could be done, but it will take time.

Raven

[MattMan657]

i know alot about pb. i could make a list for u if u want.